lets get back to NO title… what paperwork will the guy give you on the car? if he’ll give you an MSO… manufactures… MSO stands for MANUFACTURES STATEMENT OF ORIGIN it means that the manufacturer STATES that they made it NEW and that it has NEVER been titled but TRANSFERED to an entity (dealer, other manufacturer to modify, or to a financial holding company) this does two main things it clearly states that the item is NEW and has NOT been titled before, but shows legal ownership!(it allows the sale or transfer without titleing).this type of transfer does not require any state or federal fee’s as do titles.(the manufacturer would have to title it in their name then the dealer would and finally the purchaser would have to title it again(see the paper work and costs?)once an item is “titled” to an owner they have PURCHASED it to OWN! also some states do not REQUIRE titles on such things as trailers,and boats and some atv’s they in turn just use the MSO to prove that the unit is new and allows for transfer showing LEGAL OWNERSHIP!
then Lee can walk you thru the process of getting a title… why is there NO title would be the first question
What Bob said. You’ll need to register your GEM in the state. I live in Ohio and insure w/ State Farm for house, car and GEM and my GEM insurance runs $340/year for full coverage.
well Trey’s car would take some time… not sure why people don’t walk thru the titling trail correctly… Trey bought the car from a golf cart dealer or sales lot… that company took the car in on trade for one of their carts… Trey said they didn’t know much about the car… knew that the original owners have passed and the grandson made the deal… Trey wanted to take the car to a gated community that he goes to on vacation but they stopped him saying… no tags… no insurance… no GEM car… he then went to the DMV but without a title he was pretty much dead in the water… he ran the paper trail back to the grandson who won’t talk to him about the car… his other option is to file for an abandoned title but that costs…so sad because the car just sits
He will be able to find some ■■■■■ to buy it and just stroll around their own property. But, he did make a huge mistake. I told him without a title, it’s almost worthless.
For use in own community he can insure it as a recreational vehicle. Foremost insurance will insure it. My full coverage bill is $64 per year.
Our town is golf cart friendly. Nobody tags their GEM’s We insure them as REC Vs. Our police dept considers them golf carts. We all have them registered with the City Police incase they get stolen.
Note: our insurance requirements changed for 2015 in Florida. We have to pay extra for coverage if we leave our subdivision. $4 per year add on.
again if time allows a buyer could probably apply for an abandoned title if the person who traded it to the cart place won’t cooperate… the seller in this case knew who that person was… think a quick visit to an attorney and get a letter sent with the necessary forms and it would be a done deal… I had other things to do or would have dropped a dime in Lee to see if GEM car could side step my ideas
To put this in perspective. There are a LOT of untitled GEM cars. Most of them are used in closed neighborhoods or Golf Cart friendly localities. In other words any place you run a golf cart they run GEM’s untitled or not. 90+% of the time they are considered golf carts and treated as such.
MANY 2nd owners chose not to title their 2nd hand GEM because of the taxes registration fees and tag costs which add hundreds of dollars to the sale price. Golf Cart owners get a bill of sale from the previous owner and are on their way.
We have to be careful not to go overboard on this item. If a person is using his GEM the same as a golf cart and insures it, therefore it’s probably not a big deal. Not too many GEM’s are stolen due to their unique style.
The seller seems to have stated there was no title and the buyer was given a bill of sale. Not having a title means the owner cannot get a tag for localities that require them. Basically the operators situation is the same as those of a 4 wheeler or golf cart owner.
In TX this would all be poor advice. I do not know about your state laws. All motorcycles on or off road, 4 wheelers etc must be titled here. Buying one without a title is a very unwise decision. I would never buy anything without a title. If I choose not to register it in my name that would be my choice and if you are not actually trying to register it and get plates I would probably not do a “title transfer”. But there is no way I would buy one without the title being handed to me with all the correct signatures in all the correct places. It could be a huge hassle when you try to sell it, it is ever stolen or that it may already be stolen or sold out of an estate without permission from the estate. All serious things to consider. Like I said, I can only speak to how its done here and my personal experiences. Best of luck…
true… in the case of this car the member of the group wants to make it a daily driver for his folks… he does need to have it street legal… I agree the car we are talking about is not for him… there are more cars around… when I saw the post on CL I thought it looked like a pretty good deal and would be for the person not wanting the street use… I sent it on to my friends on FB you never know someone may give it a new home… meanwhile the guy who has it will probably just drive it around his property…
What state is the buyer and seller in? In GA you can get a bonded title for 125.00.
I might consider this route not telling the seller this information. Try to get the car for 50 cents on the dollar or less.
[quote=ApacheshoresGEM;23453]What state is the buyer and seller in? In GA you can get a bonded title for 125.00.
I might consider this route not telling the seller this information. Try to get the car for 50 cents on the dollar or less.[/quote]
Buyer lives in North Carolina.
Seller lives in South Carolina.
We had to go thru this process in Florida. We bought a property in Florida and the previous owner wouldn’t give us the titles to the Manufactured Home. Cost us almost $1400. Note It was inspected twice as written in the North Carolina procedure. I engaged a Lawyer that specializes in this type of work. I was quoted $3000 minimum by 2 other Lawyers. IMHO this is not a DIY procedure
I have also done this in TX for 4 wheelers and a few other off road only items. It is a pain in the butt but can be done with some patience and time. All of the ones I have done it for are GIVEN to me by ranch owners where they were left on hunting leases or taken in some type for trade. It is doable here and the only reason I do it is so when or if I sell it, it does not come back on me as stolen. I do not do this to register them in any way but I have done it with an early 50’S truck from a barn find. That was much more complicated and would not go down that rabbit hole again.
yes… let me see what Lee can do for you… did he come down to less than $4000? he says he knows who the original owner is… at least the grand son who sold the car… lets see what comes back on the vin… you can text or call me 303-810-6104… but I am old with nothing to do and the weather girl says we are going to get snow, I will be around a little after noon your time
It was originally owned by Alvin Eugene Linker & Virginia Linker and titled in NC. The VIN is 5ASAG47471F014589. I have found that both owners are now deceased. I purchased it from “Custom Carts” of Pageland SC. They said it was traded in by the original owners grandson. No title was exchanged and was told the title was lost. “Custom Carts” obviously didn’t understand the importance of the title whereas they are a golf cart dealer. I have myself to blame as well for not knowing that importance.
After googling the owners I found that they have a daughter name Vicky Jones and she has two children, Ange Hill Furr & Noah Hill. All 3 live in the Charlotte area.
I assume Noah, being the only “grandson”, was the person who traded it in. With no luck thus far, here we are