some say 4100 but if you do the calc’s with factory wheels and 12.xx diffs
they spin much higher then that . my 5hp is 15 years old and i run it to
36mph with a 10.35 diff and 24" tires all the time .
in one of my old posts i did the calcs , well try to find them.
found my old thread . a stock gem with 12.44 diff and stock 21.40 diameter
wheels spins 4950 rpms at 25 mph . at 30 its about 5850 .
Ok I know I wont get the range you are because of my tires and my very heavy foot. I was getting APPROX 5 miles on one set of 24s. Added another 24s in parallel and only seem to be getting APPROX 2 more miles. I fully charged both packs to 97.4v before connecting in parallel. I have not connected the BMS yet to check balance. Also do most of you turn off your battery disconnect everyday? I seem to be losing 3v after 2 days of sitting with disconnect on.
Have you at least been checking each cell after each charge and discharge?
They may be damaged if one cell went over 4.2 or much below 3 volts.
I get 12 miles stop and go in hills with one set. Never over 1 mile before stopping and starting.
I’ve got my Leaf lithium batteries mounted in the front of my e2 and am ready to have my Zivan charger algorithm programed. I’ve already got Dave’s opinion, but would like to see if anyone else has a preference. I’m using 11 modules and a BMS. The tech from Zivan suggested 517a, below is the table and graph that he sent me.
517a is toooo high , well significantly reduce the life span of a leaf cell . 4.07v is optimum charge for range and longevity . you can go since you don’t have that option go ahead with one of the two that have a v5 of 4.10v
King,
I wish that I had heard from you earlier, I’ve already got my charger back and installed. Below is the sheet that was enclosed with the charger. The customer service there at ElCon sucks, they refuse to return my calls, only email.
You’re fine.
Mike doesn’t use bms, so he charges to a conservative level.
With bms-24 the 4.2v /cell is just a fail-safe if bms were to die.
Bms-24 lets you set to 4.1 or any level you want. When any one cell reaches 4.1 for XX seconds charger will stop. Balance will bring that cell down to match others.
Charger will restart continue the cycle until all cells reach set point.
Thnx Dave I feel better now. But in till I get the BMS wired in, should I unplug the charger when the voltage is near 88? Remember that I need the control relay for the charger as well. My charger is old enough that it doesn’t have an enable circuit. Time is not on my side, since I will be leaving with the cart this weekend.
Baby sit it the first charge. Check a cell for getting over 4.1v or so. Then check them all for the highest one.
Monitor that one not to go over 4.2. One time won’t hurt. Charger may shut off early.
If not, turn your lights on to bring it down.
You will know the actual level then.
I have other “fixes” once we know what you have.
Did you figure out the sensor?
No, the guys from ElCon won’t talk on the phone, so it is slow communicating with them. Here’s the emails,
I wrote:
. I hooked the charger up as directed, with the sheet that you sent with it. When I left the 5 pin plug,
with the thermal sensor unplugged as instructed, I received the starting
audible beeps and the fan came on and seemed to be working, but I had no LED
indication. So I unplugged the charger and plugged in the 5 pin connector.
I plugged the charger back in and received high low warning beeps,
continuous, and flashing yellow LED. So I unplugged the charger again and
cut the thermal sensor from the 5 pin harness and made sure that the two
wires in the cut end were separated. I plugged the charger back in and got
the same high low audible, continuous, and flashing yellow.
Any suggestions?
And here’s the answer:
“thermal probe is bad, you can leave it unplugged, but won’t have an LED. A new unit will cost you $58 plus shipping.”
I’ve yet to see a Zivan. No help from me.
If you knew how the sensor worked, it might lower voltage or inhibit charging. Like the DQ.
With the five pin sensor unplugged, I charged the batteries to 89+ volts. So it doesn’t need the sensor plugged in to charge however, the LED is on the same 5 pin plug.
Just got another email from ElCon: “You’ll need a new LED unit. We are currently out of stock of these.”
the reason I suggest only charging to 4.07v is longevity . you can charge them to 4.20v every time its just that you well reduce your cycle life over time . if you can set your bms to turn off at any voltage do it to 4.07v/cell . As I mentioned above there is not much additional range between 4.07v and 4.20v .
And for what its worth Nissan charges them to 4.07v .
I agree.
Also, he needs to do a test charge to find the actual peak voltage.
Can’t trust the published specs or the ones who did the mod.
Might be more or less. Or even totally wrong!
yes, my deltaQ is overcharging by.7v and taking me over the 85.5v t4 threshold .
Todd…I guess I should have tried to talk you into a DQ. I know all about them now.
I have also picked up the lithium profiles thanks to Troy.
I just checked my cell voltages 20 hours after the first charge with the Zivan. They are all between 4.010 and 4.020. That is at 88.8 volts for the bank.
That’s charging til it shut off?
That should be great for cell life.
A little low for max capacity.
Close enough IMO.
todd ,
that’s not bad . hit them with another full charge and check voltage 2-10 hrs after shut off then report
