# What are the preferred Jacking Points for a 2002 e825? **URL:** \ **Category:** GEM Forum\ **Created:** [August 22, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897 "2019-08-22T22:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/1 "2019-08-22T22:58:01Z")
I’m finally going to try the 2001 Prius wheels and tires on our 2002 GEM and was wondering there the preferred Jacking Points were on the rear? I’ve heard the rear swing arm setup is fragile and I can’t imagine it would want to be torqued by jacking it up close to the brake backing plate. I expect the front Jacking Point is in the center somewhere but specifics might help prevent damaging something. ---
**Author:** ![JarJarJava](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jarjarjava/32/15158_2.png) [@JarJarJava](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JarJarJava)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/2 "2019-08-23T00:49:45Z")
For the front, I’ve always put the floor jack under what I guess qualifies as a front crossmember and then put the jackstands further back under the rails. Jackstands are not necessary for changing a tire, just for when you are crawling under the vehicle. I have a truck model so my rear suspension set up is a bit different with trailing arm and the axle being straddled by a front and rear shock with multiple pivots per side. I typically lift at the axle / lower shock mount - this only elevates one side at a time which I feel is safer for the vehicle with my sloped driveway. I could set a jackstand for the axle if necessary ![GEM_front_jacking](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/e/e7e40c8c13ba23228a2965aa8f7d64fc9fa4fabe.jpeg) Ignore the monkey camber adjusters, those were added by the previous owners and they don’t work for much other than bending the bejezus out of your front shocks when they are set as shown. From the manual - not really all that helpful… ![jackng_owners_manual](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/a/a05fd5be3ebff0fe61b195c749b141d25125df3f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/3 "2019-08-23T01:26:24Z")
Thanks! I used the front point you mentioned and it worked well for both front tires. Since I added the disc brakes, there were spacers which had correct size studs and the Prius wheels and lug nuts fit perfectly. My old GEM wheels would not fit on the front of the Prius though… I have one side of the Prius on blocks and the other is wearing the spare tire. So my 2 front GEM tires/wheels went onto the Prius rear. I’m still not sure where to jack it up in the rear and will try the frame back there. BUT, I have to find a place to drill out my lug studs and insert larger diameter ones so my stock Prius lug nuts will fit. I’ll hate seeing my old 2001 Prius head to the recycler but will be nice seeing her wheels and tires on the GEM. A really nice fit and look. ![IMG_20190822_190338](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/9/91e9bd70212019dffdd6096aa313dcd16982dfbe.jpeg) ![IMG_20190822_190320](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/8/884efb3b71314075a80f2ca755c3589255f7595d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JarJarJava](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jarjarjava/32/15158_2.png) [@JarJarJava](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JarJarJava)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/4 "2019-08-23T05:22:25Z")
Does the rear axle look anything at all like this, minus the dual shocks? ![20190822_215935](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/1/1fe3ee1c6739dac641ec84332d1d18b2aca127f8.jpeg) ![20190822_215843](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/4/4a0c55bde59413625b777950689d76f577e39232.jpeg) On this one, you can lift under the shock or at any junction on the tubing. You could probably lift it in the center, I’ve just never bothered - it’s a long way in from the end of the bed, not really effective pumping on the floor jack handle. Can you just press the old stud out, open the hole up a bit with a carbide and press the new one in? it’s not like you are going to be going that fast a millimeter could make a difference. PS: are those pie cutters 12" - if so, LMK if you want to sell a few. ---
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/5 "2019-08-23T06:18:14Z")
Yes, the rear suspension looks like that. I’ve read others finding cracks in the structure when there is much twisting so I was a bit concerned about jacking up one side or the other… Thanks. I read in another thread that the default wheel studs are M10 but M12 studs will also fit the same hole. That’s great and I’m hoping someone with previous experience in this has a NAPA part number. what are 12" pie cutters? hub caps or original wheels? ---
**Author:** ![JarJarJava](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jarjarjava/32/15158_2.png) [@JarJarJava](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JarJarJava)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/6 "2019-08-23T09:30:20Z")
You could also lift from the frame rail that it’s attached to. Thanks for the tip about possible cracks, I’ll have to inspect mine. By pie cutter, I was referring to the original solid rims and how they resemble a pizza cutter. ---
**Author:** ![RS\_E6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/rs_e6/32/12308_2.png) [@RS\_E6](https://community.electricforum.com/u/RS_E6)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/7 "2019-08-23T15:19:09Z")
I agree, going off the aluminum frame crossbar (closer to the center of the car) would be better unless that is too far forward as the suspension can move on you. Also consider chocking the front wheels. These cars don’t weigh a ton but enough to ruin your weekend should something go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/8 "2019-08-23T17:08:02Z")
The Rear Sub Frame is 100% fine to lift from. Do search on this Fourm to spot the traditional sub frame cracking points on the Early cars. Many people including my self have repaired and added gussets to make the rear end stronger and avoid cracking in the future. ---
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/9 "2019-08-23T17:34:03Z")
Thanks, I searched for “subframe” and found the following thread. Bummer the pictures don’t show up though. It also give me a place to look to see if there’s any cracking yet. > [@Rear Sub frame 2002](https://community.electricforum.com/t/rear-sub-frame-2002/6210): > > Well the Rear sub frame on my 2002 broke again for the 2nd time. It broke in the traditional place (where the shock mounts on the passenger side) Any one have a more permanent fix for this??? I suspect that when I added the Air shocks I have lots more travel and moment and I think this sped up the cracking ---
**Author:** ![RS\_E6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/rs_e6/32/12308_2.png) [@RS\_E6](https://community.electricforum.com/u/RS_E6)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/10 "2019-08-23T21:39:22Z")
The subframe is the black steel square tubing in @JarJarJava’s photos. ---
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/11 "2019-08-23T22:05:20Z")
Thanks @RS_E6, I figured that out but was searching for what GrantWest mentioned about, ie looking for a thread on the subframe reinforcement and cracking issue. ---
**Author:** ![RS\_E6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/rs_e6/32/12308_2.png) [@RS\_E6](https://community.electricforum.com/u/RS_E6)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-are-the-preferred-jacking-points-for-a-2002-e825/16897/12 "2019-08-24T01:39:03Z")
Gotcha, I found this thread for you but it doesn’t show the repair in detail. > [@Build thread!](https://community.electricforum.com/t/build-thread/5593/23): > > Another shout out to GWest for the new floor pan, no need for extensive body work anymore!