# Starting to dig into certain accessories not working **URL:** \ **Category:** Ford NEVs\ **Created:** [September 17, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427 "2021-09-17T16:07:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/22 "2021-09-29T21:38:38Z")
If you have power at pin 3 of the multifunction switch it has to be a bad wire between multifunction switch and the headlights. Recheck and make sure you do in fact have power at pin 3 Red/Black wire ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/23 "2021-09-30T23:41:47Z")
@David_Illingworth I followed your expert advice and started following and testing wires. Pin 3 was dead, once I got the right pin. I found the relay was bad under the hood. I temporarily swapped it with the horn relay as they are the same, and everything worked, except headlights and washer. I discovered the wipers only worked in 2 positions. So I tested further and determined the multi-function switch has some issues and is partially working. I jumped the parking light wire and the headlight wire, at the multi-function switch and the headlights now work. So I ordered a new relay and multi-function switch, which should get everything working. I can’t thank you enough for all your input. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/24 "2021-10-01T17:18:43Z")
The wipers do not work on every setting. They’re on/off and that’s it. See page 183 in the electrical section for a description. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/25 "2021-10-02T11:46:35Z")
I received the relay yesterday, installed it, and all accessories, (lights, signals, wiper, washer, work perfect. The multi-function switch will be here Monday, and I’ll change that out. Now I am going to pursue shocks, wiper blade, LED bulbs or full LED fixture replacement, and steering wheel. Later down the line will be Lithium batteries and better motor. I’m hoping to find an alternative to the shocks, as the new ones advertised in a few places, have pumped up pricing. I’m now totally hooked on the Ford Think Neighbor. Funny thing is, I never heard of them until I saw this one for sale and I knew I had to buy it!! Thank You again @David_Illingworth, for pointing me in the right direction and taking away some of the anxiety of digging into something for the first time! [20211002\_072338|535x500](https://community.electricforum.com/uploads/short-url/2DKqi5UPpobsY9N68tr8Cr377lm.jpeg) ![20211002_072501](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/0/085a101aa6405fb893b025e8d846bd2e5c8b3ce9.jpeg) ![20211002_072540](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/d354c4b27dd2a7d0f5eaf817cd06209482c6ae4b.jpeg) ![20211002_0725271](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/e/e96aad2615208b20385fa1706f515fa1aecb4693.jpeg) ![20211002_072418](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/c/cf2340fb940015b884bd7f02862fdfce029ce39b.jpeg) ![20211002_072554](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/8/89b42660fefe803e872c39b49faae0b031966fad.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/26 "2021-10-11T17:46:03Z")
This sticker was on my motor. Does it mean it is a 4hp or 6hp motor, as the motor appears to be re-painted? ![20210917_112354](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/1/1a8ec4311eaac26e7d7ab83110754dbcd0808726.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/27 "2021-10-12T20:44:02Z")
Take some pictures of the motor. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/28 "2021-10-13T01:32:18Z")
According to the sticker the manufacture date is 06/02. The number on the motor is np271776bc. The motor looks much darker than the pic, more charcoal, but not black. The cart will do 30mph according to the gps speedo app. But the increased speed could be due to the 23 inch tires. ![20211012_181041](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/e/e6f70236aac1621672154a07cdfd6e6f10c72966.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/29 "2021-10-13T14:31:12Z")
That looks like a 4 hp motor. Take a picture of the controller or measure the length so we can see if you have a D1 or D2. Also what color is the charger? Hopefully it’s yellow ---
**Author:** ![AssyRequired](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/assyrequired/32/7621_2.png) [@AssyRequired](https://community.electricforum.com/u/AssyRequired)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/30 "2021-10-13T14:57:10Z")
Is this a picture of your motor? ![power plug1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/0/0c0687297787e195680b10a8377fe9f69c622ca9.jpeg) Perhaps someone peeled the sticker off your power socket and stuck it on your motor? Maybe see if you can get a pic from the top of the motor (where the cables are) and you may see another motor ID label. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/31 "2021-10-13T22:25:19Z")
@David_Illingworth Here is the best pic I can get today of the controller. I was told the charger was replaced with a newer model. ![20211013_175020](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/6/6d6a24b5273d07e19968a537c85a2b3ed5e35e48.jpeg) ![20211013_175340](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/7/746c8534882291d2b6f29a344d904edf8b15797c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/32 "2021-10-13T22:26:22Z")
@AssyRequired yes that’s a pic of my motor. I actually peeled the sticker off the motor because it was loose and going to fall off. Not sure about the sticker being moved from the charger plug cap. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/33 "2021-10-16T17:22:01Z")
That looks like a D2 controller which is good. The D1 controllers are shorter so if there’s a third mounting bolt after the two in the picture than it’s a D2. You have the updated charger which is also good. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/34 "2021-10-16T21:28:49Z")
Thanks. I’ll look to see if there is a 3rd bolt. I was told the charger was updated. I’m going to try to get to the label at the top of the motor to see which one it is for sure. Like I said, someone went crazy with grey paint under the chassis. I could scrape the motor to se if it is black underneath. It’s too bad there is no database where you enter the VIN and it comes back with info. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/35 "2021-10-16T22:05:13Z")
This is what the 6 hp motor looks like. [Find New old stock 2002 Ford Think NEV Rev II 72V 6HP Motor Still in the box! in Santa Barbara, California, United States (2040-parts.com)](http://www.2040-parts.com/new-old-stock-2002-ford-think-nev-rev-ii-72v-6hp-motor-still-in-the-box--i1834820/) ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/36 "2021-10-17T02:21:25Z")
Are they still available anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/37 "2021-10-17T16:02:39Z")
I have no idea. Most people just buy a D&D ES-18A motor when they need a new one. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/38 "2021-10-18T00:26:48Z")
> [@David\_Illingworth](#): > > D&D ES-18A What is the top speed for that motor? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/39 "2021-10-18T01:09:14Z")
Top speed depends on tire size, controller program and batteries. My buddies does 35 mph with stock tires, stock gel batteries and the controller has been programed. ---
**Author:** ![Mrbig](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mrbig/32/10046_2.png) [@Mrbig](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mrbig)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427/40 "2021-10-21T23:46:55Z")
Since I have the D2 controller and the updated charger, will the D&D ES-18A motor be an exact fit, bolt up and run up to 25mph. They have them for a very reasonable price. [Previous page](https://community.electricforum.com/t/starting-to-dig-into-certain-accessories-not-working/22427.md?page=1)