# Spark Lithium conversion **URL:** \ **Category:** GEM Forum\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638 "2017-07-30T15:44:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/21 "2017-08-08T18:00:12Z")
Volt/Spark are the best bang for the buck as of now. More and more are learning that. Won’t last long, ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/22 "2017-08-08T19:00:25Z")
![MVC-015F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/b1d413c826103f6ca39e1036bb6847ccf8925a4e.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Naetdogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@Naetdogg](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Naetdogg)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/23 "2017-08-08T19:11:53Z")
Also what are you guys doing about cold protection? "Lithium-Ion Cold Storage • The li-ion batteries in your vehicle will not accept a charge unless internal battery temperatures are at or above 41° F (5° C). ``` • When ambient temperature is at or above -16° F (-27° C), the battery heaters will use battery pack energy to warm the batteries to an internal temperature of 41° F (5° C), at which point the batteries will accept a charge. • The battery heaters will not operate when ambient temperature is below -16° F (-27° C). • When ambient temperature is below -16° F (-27° C), the vehicle should remain in storage until ambient temperature is at or above -16° F (-27° C). ``` Whenever ambient temperatures could drop below freezing during storage: • Always make sure the batteries contain at least 20% state of charge (SOC). ``` • Always connect the charger to make sure the batteries can support operation of the battery heaters and recharge the batteries as needed." ``` ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/24 "2017-08-08T19:34:32Z")
The original mounting bracket looks like a good option where could I get a few of those ---
**Author:** ![Naetdogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@Naetdogg](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Naetdogg)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/25 "2017-08-08T19:48:45Z")
Called a domestic lithium dealer and their plug n play lithium pack cannot run after 120 degrees or charge below 41 degrees. Aren’t you guys up North? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/26 "2017-08-08T20:03:20Z")
It depends on the chemistry. I’m in Mn. garage for charging. Lithium titanate is the battery of choice at 2X the cost. I shipped the last ones out last month. I have, another chemistry, battery deal going. Let me look at the limits. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/27 "2017-08-08T20:25:33Z")
Specifications - Nominal Capacity: 100 Ah - Weight: 12.8 kg or 28.2 lbs - Max Charging Current: 3C - Max Discharge Current: 3C (continuous) / 10C (pulsed) - Cycle Life : \>1500 (80%DOD) - Operating Temperature: -20 to 65 C or -4 to 149 F - Self Discharge Rate: \<3% monthly My target selling price is \< $300/kwh About twice salvage Volt cost. ---
**Author:** ![Naetdogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@Naetdogg](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Naetdogg)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/28 "2017-08-08T20:55:50Z")
That’s more like it so about $2500 for 8kwh pack. Are these new batteries? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/29 "2017-08-08T21:07:43Z")
![2012090634038877](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/1/126114efaa65e8d4a42cd76bdb85e7b0496256ef.jpg) New old stock. Stored from 2015 and 2016. About 500pcs available. One time deal. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/30 "2017-08-08T21:10:13Z")
Energy Density 90-110wh/kg Power Density ＞800w/kg Dimension 126mm_65mm_234mm ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/31 "2017-08-08T21:18:35Z")
> [@Naetdogg](#): > > That’s more like it so about $2500 for 8kwh pack. Are these new batteries? 24s is 72v system just under 8kwh. \<$2500 ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/32 "2017-08-08T23:43:15Z")
I better start a new thread. 100ah prismatic cells. ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/33 "2017-08-11T02:56:17Z")
![IMG_8037](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/9/9e427f947610b2151f31395a509a40f704580ff0.JPG)2 more pieces of the Puzzle showed up today. Daves BMS-24 and Chargey Battery Charger!! ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/34 "2017-08-11T03:01:05Z")
I decided to abandon my Steel rod threw the battery “tie down” idea. After I install the battery I will have no room to slide the rods threw to the battery. I’m going with daves idea of a simple nylon battery tie down strap in a cross pattern. One going across the battery and one going front to back across the battery. I guess I was over thinking it. But after stepping back and looking at it again the Keep, It ,Simple, Stupid method is exactly what I needed. ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/35 "2017-08-13T18:38:04Z")
More progress. Decide in the name of Making Room I would cut off all the uesless plastic tabs. This black plastic piece holds the JST connection that’s used for the BMS. The battery has a factory Ribbon cable comming off of it and it’s some what fragile. I wanted the cable to has a strain relief so the JST cable could never tug the ribbing cable ![IMG_8057](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/be4036255f9c6fd32ecc9884f5cb4e271c391243.JPG) Simple nylon straps hold down the battery fine. ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/36 "2017-08-16T15:15:35Z")
All the batteries are installed and now I’m hookimh them up ![IMG_8073](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/de38c595d95c43615da48dd0bbfbe789fc26b4fb.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/37 "2017-08-16T15:40:32Z")
Looks good… ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/38 "2017-08-16T17:32:08Z")
As always take the time to check 27 pins. Stepping fro B- to B+ Any Sparks yet? ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/39 "2017-08-16T19:11:06Z")
Well it’s all installed Hooked up and Charging. The BMS has the ability to shut the Delta Q on and off depending on the voltages you set it at. No fear of overcharging a bad cell. All to do now is clean up and let the car charge up. Daves little hacks and Tricks worked perfectly. Thanks Dave. I will report back once I get her all put back together and charged up 3.7v and going up ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638/40 "2017-08-16T19:30:55Z")
To charge manually with DQ, connect white to B-. If you get stuck somewhere with low voltage, E-51 below 83v, jumper spoof to get you to a charger. Some wire a momentary switch. [Previous page](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.electricforum.com/t/spark-lithium-conversion/12638.md?page=3)