# New Torque Motor **URL:** \ **Category:** GEM Forum\ **Created:** [May 8, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703 "2018-05-08T23:43:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/1 "2018-05-08T23:43:37Z")
Just Deliverd: High Torque GEM motor. This is a Non Vented High Torque motor. 76 LBS. The Standard D&D or R4F motor is 55 LBS. This motor seems a bit longer then the R4F then I’m used to. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/2/2a0868dd5e009de6722f9fca575c8b7ffe7b98e3.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/bbe0404013c5f512915ebbc9c878f911eb7950a5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/2 "2018-05-09T00:57:02Z")
Adding some unknowns to the mix. Or is this going on yours? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Vern](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mr.vern/32/2658_2.png) [@Mr.Vern](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mr.Vern)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/3 "2018-05-09T02:41:52Z")
Wondering why you need this. Everything I’ve been reading made me think that the stock 5hp was enough for most all applications. What am I missing? I live on a hill surrounded by hills so I’m very curious! ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/4 "2018-05-09T04:41:38Z")
Most E4s with oversized wheels and 4 people inside in a hilly Enviroment will overheat a stock 5 hp. A torque motor will work much better then a standard 7.5 Hp R4F motor for stop and start situations in the hills. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Vern](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/mr.vern/32/2658_2.png) [@Mr.Vern](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Mr.Vern)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/5 "2018-05-09T05:56:06Z")
Sounds like I’ll be needing one of those next. Once I get my Volt pack installed over the next week or two I guess I’ll find out if the motor becomes the weak link. Mind if I ask what that set you back? ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/6 "2018-05-09T15:08:53Z")
It $1000 deliverd. The stock motors work well with a light load. But as soon as you load your car up Torque can be a issue. This Gem is going to be used for a Real Estate sales person and he will be shuttlling potential clients in a hilly aera. I had a torque motor in my last car and it would literally climb anything. Traction then became a issue. ---
**Author:** ![Jb0389](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@Jb0389](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Jb0389)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/7 "2018-07-18T21:07:20Z")
Any update on this motor? D&d recommended it for my e6 but I can’t really find any info on it ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/8 "2018-07-18T21:31:23Z")
![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/0/07ffc48167cfc8df789bd623f716cb56ee12ab40.jpg) You call that a motor? This is a motor! 🙂 95lb 35 peak hp ![induction%20motor](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/5/5cc2d7e60d2625000c1af31ab3af435a51a757a9.png) Only kidding. The D&D is the way to go. ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/9 "2018-07-18T22:47:24Z")
Holly Crap! That’s one bad a$$ MO Fo! 95lbs and 35 HP. That’s the ticket right there ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/10 "2018-07-18T22:48:31Z")
Sorry no news to report on the Special Torque motor from D&D. I should have a battery here soon and I’ll be able to report back ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/11 "2018-07-18T23:05:13Z")
> [@grantwest](#): > > Holly Crap! That’s one bad a$$ MO Fo! > 95lbs and 35 HP. That’s the ticket right there Now if someone can help me get it running, you can try it in a Gem. Don’t hold your breath… . ![MVC-002F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/a/a24162330b10d9e497ed7bc0fdcc8ce88d0761c1.JPG) ![MVC-006F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/b4c9f848de69719a5161b03794c08325728d8642.JPG) ![MVC-013F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/d31d62a6536bae7cdca0d09d92e63bac20497c88.JPG) ![MVC-012F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/6/69531013208e6648487be108728d5eff77160b8b.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/12 "2018-07-18T23:09:00Z")
Don’t mean to hijack your thread. Looking for help getting this running. Seriously, I need help…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jb0389](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@Jb0389](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Jb0389)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/13 "2018-07-18T23:12:29Z")
Will the ac motor fit in an 06 gem? ---
**Author:** ![grantwest](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/grantwest/32/15_2.png) [@grantwest](https://community.electricforum.com/u/grantwest)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/14 "2018-07-18T23:22:44Z")
The larger AC motors have some fitmit issues with the older cars. I think you would need to cut the frame hoops that go around the motor. The newer cars 2013 don’t have the hoops that go around the motor. I know that motor will fit on my 2013 if that can work. I can help test. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/15 "2018-07-18T23:44:17Z")
This one will fit. It’s an ac motor. It’s big brother is a PMAC motor with fitment issues. I have samples of both. The real issue is finding support to get them running with cheap sevcon controllers. I say cheap because they are all new old stock from an EV company that went broke. If cost isn’t an issue, a $1500 Curtis controller should auto-tune and run it just fine. The surplus Sevcon controllers are 1/2 that. The whole system is under $1k. BUT, who can make it work? Maybe I should start a fund. Paid support is $100/hr with no guarantee I’m into it about $5k. Most of it useful inventory. A possibility that I can stumble through it myself in 6 Months. Or not! 🙂 1200 of these available. Any takers? ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/3/3ce00320931484eb3851a0427b7b4712f46ef644.jpg) ps. This is what the new Gems use. I think! But this is twice the size. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/16 "2018-07-18T23:50:39Z")
As long as I’ve completely hijacked Grant’s informative thread. Here is the unusable PMAC motor. Only 45lb and more powerful than the ac motor. Designed to move an EV 40mph. ![MVC-006F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/a/ae44ce29d3eb6e5a02d8781b4ad0a5c05a8e2fe1.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/new-torque-motor/13703/17 "2018-07-18T23:54:35Z")
> [@grantwest](#): > > The larger AC motors have some fitmit issues with the older cars. I think you would need to cut the frame hoops that go around the motor. The newer cars 2013 don’t have the hoops that go around the motor. I know that motor will fit on my 2013 if that can work. I can help test. Super, find an EV place that can help with Sevcon. I’ll send you motor and controller. I have the file, but I’m told that is only a start. ☹