# eL run with charger removed? **URL:** \ **Category:** GEM Forum\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878 "2012-12-21T06:38:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tincup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@tincup](https://community.electricforum.com/u/tincup)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/1 "2012-12-21T06:38:18Z")
I removed my Zivan NG1 charger and sent it to Electric Conversions in Sacramento, CA. [Zivan Charger Sales & Service and GEM Charger Repair](http://www.zivanusa.com/) to have the micro update performed. Now the car won’t run nor will any functions work, lights, horn, etc. Is this normal? I would would have thought the charger is bridged on to the battery pack not wired in series. I don’t have a schematic of the car to see if there’s a way to jumper over the charger to get the functions to work. On a side note, does anyone have a schematic for the entire car or know where I can get one? That would be a valuable tool to have. Thanks for your time. Paul ---
**Author:** ![REHalle123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@REHalle123](https://community.electricforum.com/u/REHalle123)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/2 "2012-12-21T08:55:44Z")
silly question did you recheck the connections, you before taking it out, not trying be a smart a\_\_ ---
**Author:** ![tincup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@tincup](https://community.electricforum.com/u/tincup)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/3 "2012-12-21T10:52:05Z")
Hi, I’m not sure which connections you’re referring to. The charger is still out of the circuit so all of the wires connected to it are just hanging. Thanks for your quick response. ---
**Author:** ![REHalle123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@REHalle123](https://community.electricforum.com/u/REHalle123)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 11:37am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/4 "2012-12-21T11:37:05Z")
mine have only one plug and couple wires for the controller. did take any other wires off? i do not have any schematic tho sorry can not help much what year is your gem?? ---
**Author:** ![tincup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@tincup](https://community.electricforum.com/u/tincup)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/5 "2012-12-21T16:01:37Z")
The wires on mine are a red, green with spade connectors, the five pin barrel connector for the temperature sensing and the A/C input. They’re all still not connected. I just got an e-mail from Electric Conversions and the charger is ready, they shipped it back today I should have it Monday. I’ll put it back in the circuit and all should be good. Thanks for your response. Paul ---
**Author:** ![GEMmechanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecccb3/32.png) [@GEMmechanic](https://community.electricforum.com/u/GEMmechanic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/6 "2012-12-21T20:13:42Z")
The GEM can be used with the charger removed. The two small wires connecting to the charger must be jumped together. Whenever we have a charger out for service, the GEM can still be used and charged each day. See my post below: [http://www.electricforum.com/cars/neighborhood-vehicles/2623-gem-emergency-off-board-charging-modification.html](http://www.electricforum.com/cars/neighborhood-vehicles/2623-gem-emergency-off-board-charging-modification.html) Daniel ---
**Author:** ![tincup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@tincup](https://community.electricforum.com/u/tincup)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/7 "2012-12-22T06:38:20Z")
Daneil, Thanks for the reply, I kind of thought this could be done but being a new guy and not having a schematic of the GEM I didn’t want to just jump them and watch for smoke:D Thanks for your time and quick response. Paul ---
**Author:** ![eSGEMColo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/esgemcolo/32/714_2.png) [@eSGEMColo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/eSGEMColo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/el-run-with-charger-removed/2878/8 "2012-12-22T15:21:06Z")
Paul… you are right smoke is not a good thing Bob