# DIY honey extrator **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [March 26, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380 "2020-03-26T23:11:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/1 "2020-03-26T23:11:31Z")
Hi everyone, I am in the process of making a new 18 frame radial honey extractor. My abilities stop when it comes to electrics. This is what I would like to do if anyone can help me with a setup that would be awesome. I need a motor that can gradually spin, slow to start then speed up as the load starts to lighten. Max weight would be approx 50kg at the start and max rpm would be about 180 to 200 at the end. it would be awesome if it could be programmed to work through say a 5 min cycle. alternatively a dial that I can adjust over the 5 mins would work to. thanks heaps Drew ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/2 "2020-03-26T23:19:55Z")
Can you explain the reason for variable speed? Just curious as it adds to the complexity. Will this be ac mains powered or battery? I’ve seen clothes dryers used as centrifugal devices in other industries. Constant torque will accelerate much like you describe. Decel might be natural after removing power. ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/3 "2020-03-26T23:34:48Z")
Thanks Inow, the reason is if it spins too fast at the start the wax will collapse under the weight of honey so a slow start gives it a bit a time for some honey/weight to come out of the frames and finishes faster to remove as much as possible. It will be 240 power. ![9-fRAME-FULL-CONTROLLER-RADIAL (3)](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/8/8e9e966333715f9a13ebdef0f0abf6fca900b09b.jpeg) here is a pic of a commercial 1, not sure if that’s helpful? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/4 "2020-03-26T23:46:24Z")
That makes sense. Easy peasy! Just buy a cheap chinese vfd. Check the specs first for maximum ramp rate. A Toshiba that I just looked at was 600 seconds. Program it for 5 minute ramp up and 5 minute ramp down. Connect a bath fan timer to the “run” terminals. It will ramp up for the set time. Run for the fan timer setting. Then ramp down at the set rate Up and down ramps can be different. A .4 kw vfd will run a 1/2hp motor. A 1kw is not much more money and will control larger than a1 hp motor. Should be less than $100 For those in USA. A vfd will run a 240v 3 phase ac motor on 120v household power. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/5 "2020-03-26T23:47:07Z")
> [@Drew](#): > > here is a pic of a commercial 1, not sure if that’s helpful? Can you see the hp and gear ratio? ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/6 "2020-03-27T00:00:41Z")
I wish? I will do some googling to work out what you have said earlier 🤪 can you add some links to the items you have mentioned? Also can I just connect a motor directly to it and let the vrd control the speed or do I need to find a motor gearbox setup? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:18am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/7 "2020-03-27T00:18:11Z")
You will need some type of reduction. Best to just find a 90 deg gear motor. Slowest ac motor is 1800 rpm. 5:1 is a good place to start. The closest you can match maximum motor speed to what you need the better. The vfd will overspeed the motor if needed. ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/8 "2020-03-27T00:33:55Z")
Righto I think I’m pickin up what your puttin down. I’m not 100% sure what the bath fan is for? is it ok if I find some part and list them up here for confirmation that I going to get the right stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/10 "2020-03-27T01:12:57Z")
This example is 700rpm Only .16 hp though > **[NORD .16HP 3 PHASE INVERTER DUTY MOTOR SK63S/4 w/ Right angle 90 degree SK1S32...](https://www.ebay.com/itm/NORD-16HP-3-PHASE-INVERTER-DUTY-MOTOR-SK63S-4-w-Right-angle-90-degree-SK1S32/254141555206?hash=item3b2c046206:g:g8kAAOSwF59cdaPR)** > > Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NORD .16HP 3 PHASE INVERTER DUTY MOTOR SK63S/4 w/ Right angle 90 degree SK1S32 at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! VFD example unknown specs > **[Variable Frequency Drive VFD Single Phase Micro Motor Speed Inverter 0.4KW 220V...](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Variable-Frequency-Drive-VFD-Single-Phase-Micro-Motor-Speed-Inverter-0-4KW-220V/183890890366?hash=item2ad0c04e7e:g:MRMAAOSwNJxeXigY)** > > Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Variable Frequency Drive VFD Single Phase Micro Motor Speed Inverter 0.4KW 220V at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! And a timer > **[Intermatic FD30MHW 30-Minute Spring Loaded Wall Timer, White for sale online...](https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intermatic-FD30MHW-30-Minute-Spring-Loaded-Wall-Timer-for-Lights-and-Fans-White/202921341054?epid=1300391672&hash=item2f3f0df07e:g:9-oAAOSwYgheX8W9)** > > Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Intermatic FD30MHW 30-Minute Spring Loaded Wall Timer, White at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/11 "2020-03-27T01:19:41Z")
This Motor? with gear ratio of (0 - 270 rpm) [https://www.ebay.com.au/i/401785796292?chn=ps](https://www.ebay.com.au/i/401785796292?chn=ps) This VFD? [https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwj4\_5HcvbnoAhXKIysKHWHbBx8YABA\_GgJzZg&sig=AOD64\_2fa2jpkv7ILyO2Q7HZDkxiAXxqeA&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjz\_o7cvbnoAhW6ILcAHWPYB0UQ2CkI\_gI&adurl=](https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwj4_5HcvbnoAhXKIysKHWHbBx8YABA_GgJzZg&sig=AOD64_2fa2jpkv7ILyO2Q7HZDkxiAXxqeA&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjz_o7cvbnoAhW6ILcAHWPYB0UQ2CkI_gI&adurl=) ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/12 "2020-03-27T01:23:37Z")
So the fan switch simply cuts power after set time? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/13 "2020-03-27T01:58:57Z")
No, it turns of the vfd. Then the vfd ramps down to zero. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/14 "2020-03-27T02:04:23Z")
Motor would work for manual operation, not with a vfd. If it’s powerful enough. You need a simple 3 phase motor to use the ramp function of speed control. You would need the manual to see if it will ramp up and down at the rate needed. ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/15 "2020-03-27T02:07:56Z")
I don’t have 3 phase power though? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/16 "2020-03-27T03:30:36Z")
That’s one of the things the vfd does. Connect 1 phase to input. Connect 3 phase to motor. Connect timer to vfd on/off terminals. That’s It! Set maximum speed of motor. Set to ramp up over 5 minute period. Set to ramp down over x minute period. To start cycle. Set timer to total run time less ramp down time. Spin cycle will start at 0 rpm when timer is turned. Ramp up for 5 minutes. Run at full speed until timer runs out. Ramp down to 0 rpm at the ramp down rate. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/17 "2020-03-27T03:42:59Z")
Ask 2 things before buying. Will it work with single phase input? Can ramp up be set to 5 minutes? ![Screenshot_20200326-224122](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/f/f978dfa9c59f5878c7eb7d51bb9154f61a9e4dbd.jpeg) From Mitsubishi manual. Typical. ![Screenshot_20200326-224019](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/d4446794308d609c745672d6d662b91d39ecfcf6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Drew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@Drew](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Drew)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/18 "2020-03-27T04:33:08Z")
> **[Item # BHI62ST-6, 200 W (1/4 HP) Induction Gear Motor (6:1 Gear Ratio) ...](https://catalog.orientalmotor.com/item/bh-series-three-phase-ac-motors/200w-bh-three-phase-ac-gear-motors/bhi62st-6)** > > BH series motors provide 200 W (1/4 HP) output power and up to 530 lb-in of torque in a compact 4.09 in frame size. > **[Micro 220V Motor Drive Inverter 0.2 0.75KW Single Phase VFD Frequency Converter...](https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Micro-220V-Motor-Drive-Inverter-0-2-0-75KW-Single-Phase-VFD-Frequency-Converter/173969764295?_trkparms=aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=226125&meid=dbcc1adb61ab40d0aa28314a56504dee&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=12&mehot=co&sd=173968493323&itm=173969764295&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=SimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithSearchFilter&brand=Unbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)** > > Built-in high speed cooling fan reduces the internal temperature so as to prevent the inverter from burning out. 1 x Small Inverter. Adapted Motor Power: 0.2KW. Adapted Motor Power: 0.75KW. would these 2 work together? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 7:28am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/diy-honey-extrator/18380/19 "2020-03-27T07:28:32Z")
Yes, but you need to ask the questions mentioned above.