# Delay when changing directions **URL:** \ **Category:** GEM Forum\ **Created:** [March 14, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055 "2023-03-14T14:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/1 "2023-03-14T14:16:04Z")
I have a 2002 e4 and it has started to build a delay when I change from forward to reverse or vice versa. After I swap the direction it takes about 30 seconds, during which time I have to hold the accelerator down, to get the signal and start going in it’s new direction. I am pretty sure the switches are working as it makes the beeping for reverse right away. Any ideas? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/2 "2023-03-14T14:17:41Z")
Are you Daniel from FB by chance? Same issue. What does the main contactor do during the wait? Is it off and the delay is waiting for it to pull in? Will car move immediately when key is first turned on? ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/3 "2023-03-14T14:27:21Z")
Yeah, I assume this is Dave or Byron. Thanks for the help with the batteries. What does the main contactor do during the wait? - It certainly feels like a contactor/relay type issue. I can hear power being sent but it won’t engage for about 30 seconds Is it off and the delay is waiting for it to pull in? - I’ll have to pull the dash and watch, I assume we are talking about this [https://photos.app.goo.gl/wJso83TqEH2Z83JMA](https://photos.app.goo.gl/wJso83TqEH2Z83JMA) Will car move immediately when key is first turned on? - Yes no issues as long as I don’t change direction ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/4 "2023-03-14T14:42:59Z")
Yes, inwo=dave. @AssyRequired = Byron ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/5 "2023-03-14T14:46:12Z")
Contactor is controlled by a time-off timer. It drops out if throttle is not pressed for xx seconds. Throttle switch (fs1) pulls in contactor with no delay. I want to see if that part is working. ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/6 "2023-03-14T14:49:04Z")
Do you have a good test procedure? ---
**Author:** ![AssyRequired](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/assyrequired/32/7621_2.png) [@AssyRequired](https://community.electricforum.com/u/AssyRequired)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/7 "2023-03-14T15:01:18Z")
On Gen1 cars - At first KeyON (from cold start) there is a big CLUNK from under dash. That is your Main Contactor (relay). Most cars will also need to have Park Brake down (off). Does car immediately take off and go? How long does it take? Also- If you just sit there and do nothing, The contactor disconnects (unclunk). When you press the pedal again it will connect again and you should be able to go. Is there a delay? (not changing directions) ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/8 "2023-03-14T15:08:26Z")
IIRC, this is the pre-recall dc-dc logic board. ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/9 "2023-03-14T15:10:29Z")
yes, it is. I wonder if I can get the recall replacement board if it will correct this on its own? I’ll try Byrons suggestion at lunch. ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/10 "2023-03-14T16:04:05Z")
So the contactor clicks right away when turning the key on. It takes 4 seconds on full throttle down to change direction. I can hear it almost building up to it with a louder and louder hum. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/11 "2023-03-14T16:54:34Z")
> [@JoMoGEM](#): > > can hear it almost building up to it with a louder and louder hum. So the contactor is engaged? Then, my theory about the logic board is out the window. Sevcon controllers have a setting for less torque after direction change. I’m quite sure that Ge controllers do not. They have a setting to slow starting acceleration and “creep” speed. I wonder if creep speed is set to zero? But then it would do it after “key on” as well. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/12 "2023-03-14T16:55:35Z")
How about cycling key after direction change? ---
**Author:** ![AssyRequired](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/assyrequired/32/7621_2.png) [@AssyRequired](https://community.electricforum.com/u/AssyRequired)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/13 "2023-03-14T16:56:33Z")
Change directions OK. How about staying in the same direction, Stopping. Then romping on it again? Refresh my memory… Has it always done this? Or was there an event that started this behavior? It sounds like #6 Controlled acceleration setting in controller is set real high or somehow is corrupted. ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/14 "2023-03-14T17:08:44Z")
Staying in the same direction works perfectly no issue at all. press the pedal and go This problem started last summer. Most the time its just a minor annoyance but becomes an issue if I have to make a multi-point turn I backup and that takes 4 seconds to engage, then move forward and that takes 4 seconds to engage and so on. ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/15 "2023-03-14T20:40:54Z")
I just tried the key trick and that doesn’t seem to fool it. Nothing but holding the accelerator pedal down for 4 seconds allows it to change from forward to reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/16 "2023-03-14T22:51:23Z")
That’s strange. How does it know you previously changed directions and not starting for the first time. “rhetorical” The throttle can’t know. It’s not a delay in contactor. I may need to sit back and let Byron figure this one out. Could you spare your controller long enough sometime, send it to Byron for testing? Hello, does anyone have a T2 controller to lend? ---
**Author:** ![JoMoGEM](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/jomogem/32/13963_2.png) [@JoMoGEM](https://community.electricforum.com/u/JoMoGEM)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/17 "2023-03-15T13:27:13Z")
If someone had a spare I could do it any time. Otherwise I might live with it until fall and then send it off. ---
**Author:** ![dougl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b19c9b/32.png) [@dougl](https://community.electricforum.com/u/dougl)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/delay-when-changing-directions/26055/18 "2023-03-15T14:25:54Z")
> [@JoMoGEM](#): > > I have a 2002 e4 Could be a T1 or a T2.