# D&D blue motor upgrade **URL:** \ **Category:** Ford NEVs\ **Created:** [March 31, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108 "2021-03-31T12:09:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gostbr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/gostbr/32/8227_2.png) [@gostbr](https://community.electricforum.com/u/gostbr)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/1 "2021-03-31T12:09:24Z")
Hello, Does anyone here know what the correct D&D Motor part number is for our Ford Think? Are there other alternative “direct replacement” motors to consider? (I currently have a 6HP motor and Rev2 controller.) Any info would be greatly appreciated. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/2 "2021-03-31T13:36:22Z")
The D&D motor doesn’t make a big difference over the stock 6 hp motor. The D&D motor number for the Ford Think is ES18A. A few guys are in the process of trying to get an AC motor installed but that will require replacing the controller as well and some wiring. This will be a huge improvement over both the stock and D&D motors. If you’re looking for speed I would wait for the AC conversion. It should get the Think well above 50 mph ---
**Author:** ![BradTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BradTX](https://community.electricforum.com/u/BradTX)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/3 "2021-06-27T12:56:38Z")
I have one available ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/5/565325cd71b84cf4e40999e770eb3c3af064fccb.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/a/a67ae13fad77e7f9c47dce826b35b93cfe91bd8b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![yellojello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/258eb7/32.png) [@yellojello](https://community.electricforum.com/u/yellojello)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/4 "2021-07-16T19:10:56Z")
I have a 4 seater with 4 HP motor. Just got it and it overheated during an evening drive within our community with some hills and 4 people. Our luck was that it happened at the bottom of the hill, and we took turns pushing it up. Not looking for speed, just enough to go around without worrying about overheating. Would the 7 hp blue motor be sufficient for this and direct swap without need for new controller? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/5 "2021-07-16T21:18:16Z")
Chances are it has a D1 controller and that should be upgraded to a D2 controller. ---
**Author:** ![yellojello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/258eb7/32.png) [@yellojello](https://community.electricforum.com/u/yellojello)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/6 "2021-07-16T21:56:29Z")
Hi David, based on these pictures, you think it’s D1 or D2? [https://imgur.com/a/ReZSIKY](https://imgur.com/a/ReZSIKY) ---
**Author:** ![Reddevil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/reddevil/32/6128_2.png) [@Reddevil](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Reddevil)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/7 "2021-07-16T22:03:55Z")
Based on last 2 digits in serial number it is a D2 ---
**Author:** ![yellojello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/258eb7/32.png) [@yellojello](https://community.electricforum.com/u/yellojello)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/8 "2021-07-16T22:32:08Z")
Thank you. I had no idea where to look but I see it now. I assume the D&D 7HP is the way to go over my stock 4HP? I know its a direct swap, but does the D2 controller need to be reprogrammed? My current setup goes 25 MPH if that means anything. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/9 "2021-07-17T12:37:20Z")
That’s a D2. It looks old so it may need to be rebuilt in the near future. Try not to get it wet as the old ones tend to let water seep in. Yes it will need to be programed if you want to go over 25 mph or buy a magic magnet but the writing on the blue tape makes it seem like it has already been programmed. The D&D motor is probably your best bet for the money. Where do you live? If you’re close I could hook you up with the programming. ---
**Author:** ![yellojello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/258eb7/32.png) [@yellojello](https://community.electricforum.com/u/yellojello)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/10 "2021-07-17T18:22:36Z")
If I don’t mind the 25mph and not want to go over, then no need to reprogram when swapping the new motor? I’m in Northern California, and only drive it for golf and within the residential gates, so doesn’t get beat up too much. Will mind to keep on cart path if there’s wet grass now. If you are close gladly accept any assistance 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/11 "2021-07-18T12:03:35Z")
I’m in Florida so that would be a little bit of a drive lol. Sounds like all you need is a motor and you will be good to go. ---
**Author:** ![C4202K2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@C4202K2](https://community.electricforum.com/u/C4202K2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/12 "2023-05-20T12:37:19Z")
Still have this motor? ---
**Author:** ![Davehardy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Davehardy7](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Davehardy7)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/13 "2024-08-11T22:31:06Z")
Please put me on the ac motor list. My D&D motor is arching straight out of the box. Dave 818 209-04550 ---
**Author:** ![AssyRequired](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/assyrequired/32/7621_2.png) [@AssyRequired](https://community.electricforum.com/u/AssyRequired)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/15 "2024-08-12T04:10:51Z")
> [@Davehardy7](#): > > Please put me on the ac motor list. My D&D motor is arching straight out of the box. What do you mean by this? Is this a new motor? (in which case I would think there is a warranty) If it is arcing out of the case, then it sounds like it is in need of a service. Do you think you are ready for an AC motor upgrade? What car is this? Should I assume this is going in a Ford Think? What batteries do you have? And what is their condition? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Illingworth](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/david_illingworth/32/2671_2.png) [@David\_Illingworth](https://community.electricforum.com/u/David_Illingworth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 11:54am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/d-d-blue-motor-upgrade/21108/16 "2024-08-12T11:54:48Z")
I have been reading that D&D has an issue with the new Ford Think motors they’re producing. Contact D&D. One guy said he fixed it by upping the spring tension on the brushes.