# Converting To Lithium Batteries expectations and real life **URL:** https://community.electricforum.com/t/converting-to-lithium-batteries-expectations-and-real-life/5748 **Category:** Battery & Chargers **Tags:** gem, lithium, battery, conversion **Created:** [January 23, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/converting-to-lithium-batteries-expectations-and-real-life/5748 "2016-01-23T00:24:36Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Showing post:** 21
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First - Do your research. There are many decades of projects, countless hours, and (I shudder to think about) cash spent going down much the same path as you are thinking about going down, available in the archives. All you need to do is click on the magnifying glass tool in the upper right of the page and choose a variety of keywords. Use these previous posts wisely. This forum and some of these players go back to when there were still vacuum tubes in controllers (not really). Much of this tech has been explored and abandoned (for one reason or another) already. The archives are a fantastic learning tool that doesn’t cost you a thing (yet). Use the old stuff so you can see where this all came from. Then - Skip to the end of the book to see the stuff everybody is playing with today. Here is a good example of the richness that can be found in the forums. > [@Understanding lithium for Gems](https://community.electricforum.com/t/understanding-lithium-for-gems/19477/): > > I know many people are looking to do lithium conversions on Gems but maybe confused about how it all works . Lets try and explain a few things . There are many different types of lithium battery chemistries . They all have different pluses and minuses and are used for different applications . The lithium battery in your phone and laptop is completely different from the kind you would use in a boat or a car , you would Never use this type of battery in a Gem or EV . The Lifepo4 chemistry you wou… > [@Installing one of Lithium Gods new 22s extended range battery packs](https://community.electricforum.com/t/installing-one-of-lithium-gods-new-22s-extended-range-battery-packs/22219): > > The local Gem dealer has been wanting to learn how to do lithium installs. Mike is a really nice guy so I agreed to spend a few hours showing him how to do it at his dealership. He brought in a Customers Gem(also named mike) who is on this form. So the the 3 of us did the install. Enjoyable day for me, working on a Gem with 2 other very nice Guys. They had mostly prepped the Gem by removing the batteries and cutting a shelf( hardest part of install). Got it in, upgraded charger, reprogrammed con… > [@Lithium battery packs for sale](https://community.electricforum.com/t/lithium-battery-packs-for-sale/22129): > > I have a few different packs available. It takes a $500 deposit to get one and reserve a build slot. Currently about 2 weeks out on build slots. All setups will come with the proper BMS and are fully wired. Those with DeltaQ chargers can send them to me for a lithium upgrade. Gems with Zivan or superchargers will need to get a new charger with Lithium profiles($395)They will all be tested on the bench, disassembled and shipped. Anyone is welcome to pick them up in person. The BMS are Bluetooth a… The problem is that you are starting with a pre \<2004 car as your base. Paging through the classifieds you can find a wide range of cars and many think they can be bought cheap, fixed up, end up sinking a ton of money into them and still find them not quite up what they wanted. They usually sell them to the next guy and look for a later model car and start over or wander away from the whole e-car thing completely. > [@Just purchased 2002 e825-4 where to start rejuvenation?](https://community.electricforum.com/t/just-purchased-2002-e825-4-where-to-start-rejuvenation/12708): > > We upgraded to a GEM from a 2010 Zone/EZ-Go for the consistent speed and 4 front facing seats and with this older GEM there’s work to be done. It jerks a lot when starting and stopping because of a good amount of play in the drivetrain. I don’t know where it is yet and I’m surprised with only 4,500 miles on it there’s so much slop. My wife and kid also said it’s a rough ride compared to the Zone and I’m wondering if it’s normal or could the tire sidewalls be too stiff on such old tires. Is the… If you are a brand new owner of your 2003 you may not know this yet. The early cars have quite a few issues. If you have owned your car for a while you may already know about some/all of these issues and may have already corrected them. - The brakes are horrible. - Suspension is like a dump truck - Steering is from same dump truck - Motor selection is limited - Gear ratio is set more/less for street (depending on your build this may/may not be bad) - Electrical system is marginal - Battery space is limited - Parts getting difficult to find - Charger may need to be upgraded for Lithium. (Is yours yellow/black) This all being said, Most of the above can be dealt with, and many are quite happy with their early cars. It all depends on what your goals are. Or use this car as a test bed for tinkering and keep your eye out for a deal on a 2006 car to build your hotrod. Most of the above issues have been dealt with. Then, you need to decide what you want your car to be. Your description “get the max out of my car” is quite typical of how most of these projects start. Yes - quite a bit can be done. In the end you will still have a 20 year old car that you put a ton of cash into that you will never get back out. If you are fine with that, then proceed. If you can do most of the work yourself that is a bonus. It gets real expensive if you need outside help to do the work. Some of these flipper guys charge quite a bit to polish your car for you and some guys out there actually make a living from it. Here is something on your Leaf Pack. Make sure they will suit your needs. > [@What you need to know about Nissan leaf cells](https://community.electricforum.com/t/what-you-need-to-know-about-nissan-leaf-cells/14336): > > I have received a few questions over time about Nissan leaf cells , want to post a little info that will be helpful . Leaf sells make for a very easy conversion they come 2 cells per module , there are two polarities . one cells has positive on left , one has is on right . Get an equal number of lefts and right when you buy so you can wire in series . the cells bolt together with a simple rods of all thread . start with 20 cells (10 modules) this will give you 80v to start . your gem will b… I may have more to add later… We are just getting started. --- _[View the full topic](https://community.electricforum.com/t/converting-to-lithium-batteries-expectations-and-real-life/5748)._