# 2014 Gem **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 22, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128 "2018-12-22T19:24:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/1 "2018-12-22T19:24:28Z")
Since you are the resident expert, my friend has a 2014 Gem, have you ever swapped out, what I think is a T4, for a T2? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/2 "2018-12-22T19:58:14Z")
No, I have not. It wouldn’t make much sense. Dave ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/3 "2018-12-22T20:49:17Z")
Was thinking for programming prurposes. He already has a MM and 22” diameter wheels. If I was to up the controller for a few more MPH, redundant with the MM? ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/4 "2018-12-22T20:54:09Z")
I doubt you could gain much speed, and you need to swap the display as well. ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/5 "2018-12-22T21:29:49Z")
He’s not going to want to do that. We are going to need 3 lithium setups though. I’ll be in touch for that once I work the bugs out of mine. ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/6 "2018-12-28T16:13:51Z")
Looks like Im going to be setting up 4 cars with Lithium now so Im going to need a setup (chargers, bms, spoof…) for all four from you. Details on years, controllers and etc to follow. Im researching batteries now…what would be easier/cost effective for all four setups. We live on Long Island so its flat and all four of us are wanting as much speed as possible, so Im looking to be in the 96v range. All variables equal, 23" tires, controllers programmed or MM’s being used, what do you prefer Volt, Leaf…what works best with your BMS? Thinking two of these per car… > **[2018 Chevy Volt Lithium Gen 2 Battery 12s2p 2.3kwh 48V pack Golf Cart, Solar, RV...](https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Chevy-Volt-Lithium-Gen-2-Battery-12s2p-2-3kwh-48V-pack-Golf-Cart-Solar-RV/223294001899?hash=item33fd5c12eb:g:K-MAAOSwLKhcHYXK:rk:4:pf:0)** > > This shall be the case no matter how or where the item was used. Included top plastic cover for battery and BMS output cable (left entire length). Battery is fully ready for installation to your application. | eBay! or grab this pack and split it 4 ways… > **[2017 Chevrolet Volt 18kWh Li-ion Battery Pack NTO IIHS Car "32" Miles | eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Chevrolet-Volt-18kWh-Li-ion-Battery-Pack-NTO-IIHS-Car-32-Miles/132736550024?hash=item1ee7b70488:g:vAwAAOSwawZba0lP:rk:1:pf:0)** > > Removed from a new IIHS test vehicle. Sold as-is. No warranty. Year: 2017. Make & Model: CHEVY VOLT. We can also crate the battery for truck freight. Ruckersville, VA 22968. M & M Service & Salvage Yard, Inc. | eBay! ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/7 "2018-12-28T16:56:35Z")
Anything will work. Depends on your budget. 50ah is on the small side, but may be ok for level ground. High speed burns twice the kwh/mile. I recommend 100ah. 2015 Volts have 7 12s modules and 2 6s modules. 2016+ have 4 12s modules and 3 16s modules. The 3 16s make a perfecty 100ah Gem battery. Look up Grant’s “Spark” thread. 2015?-2016+ have 6 16s modules. Makes 2 100ah+ Gem batteries. To be honest, I’ve switched to using 60ah LiFePo4 modules in everything. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/5/5d7c2d38750856febd768b7b757e0455d87f1b0e.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/da724743f5fc2cb65f76924559b35a0131a85ef9.jpeg) ![MVC-008F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/d/db6b2cda0d5957b53ae1ddfeb521ccc7a6970605.jpeg) Paid advertisement follows. 🙂 Many advantages: Safer chemistry Can swap out a bad cell Configurable both series and parallel, pick the voltage and ah you want Flat discharge curve, 3.2v full or empty High and low temperature operation Fitment in any space available I have 1,000+ new old stock, tested and 1/2 price. 60-70ah test $50 per cell. Dave ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/8 "2018-12-28T17:41:55Z")
No paid advertisement needed, I thrust you and would rather give you the money they some nobody off the internet. I thought I read that you were out of those batteries? I liked them, especially how you could configure them to fit. OK, get me some prices… 100AH battery set up (as much V as possible, speed!) BMS All harnesses needed Charger Anything else you may think of Im good with maintenance, but the other three guys are set it and forget it people so if there is anything that will jam them up Im in trouble. They are all close friends, just dont want to cause any issues. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/9 "2018-12-28T18:15:51Z")
New Delta-Q programmed with battery purchase $$$ 32s bms with display wired to RJ plugs, spoof, $$$ Buy one and copy it for the others, or buy them all from China, if you can wait a month and figure out the wiring. Not too difficult. > **[16S 32S Lifepo4 li-ion Lipo Battery Protection Board Smart BMS Balance Bluetooth...](https://www.ebay.com/itm/16S-32S-Lifepo4-li-ion-Lipo-Battery-Protection-Board-Smart-BMS-Balance-Bluetooth/192687500566?hash=item2cdd11ed16:m:m2yXZmRnmU5gzzMfSmlE6fA:rk:21:pf:0)** > > Include : bms lcd screen balance wires other kits. After the actual number of cells is set, the protection board has an output. Protection board supports 16S-32S of any battery cell (lithium iron phosphate, ternary lithium, lithium titanate,... I will configure batteries at no charge. If 60-70ah is enough, I have 10s factory modules. $$$ each. See the thread that shows fitment in a Gem. Super easy. If you get 3, then use from 24 normal 72v to 30 for 96v. 2 sets is 130ah, may be hard to fit. I suggest getting all four sets at once on a pallet. Less chance of damage, and easy for me to package. Then I can do $$$ each 10 pack. $$$$ per Gem. If I can put 4 chargers on the pallet, I can do better too. $$$ each. You may even talk me out of more, as this will be way easy for me. 🙂 I’ll follow with some dimensions. Dave ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/10 "2018-12-28T18:22:20Z")
This may be all you need to check fit. A 10s module is twice as long. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/f/f5054fe69994a87e2ad3a2fe84cf9d3d363db50f.jpeg) I can customise from 5 to 8 in a group. So I can make 6packs 2p3s. 120ah 10v each. 8 packs 2p4s 120ah 12v+ each. Back to the $$$ each cell. I just sent @LithiumGods 3 or 4 10 packs on a pallet. Get his opinion. He claims 20 miles on 60ah high speed level ground. Let me see how many 10s are on the shelf! ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/11 "2018-12-28T18:22:36Z")
Invited @LithiumGods on December 28, 2018, 6:22pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/12 "2018-12-28T18:31:41Z")
Ok, I have 11 10s modules ready to go. Plus several 5s modules. These are best of the best battery tested so far. None of these have ever been below 3 volts, and all from this batch test 68ah. I should mention that I only tested the individual cells that were below 3v when I got them. As these low ones were 100% good and over 68ah, I did not break down and test the 10s modules from same group, individually. Almost 0 chance of a bad cell, but I will take care of any problem. ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/13 "2018-12-28T20:20:55Z")
Ive beat up the spacing, anything other than the 5 pack is going to be a nightmare, not for me but for them. As a direct replacement, 6, 5cell packs will work best. So I think 96v with the spoof is the way to go. I need to verify what chargers and controllers they have, can any stock, say my zivan ng1 (I have a stock and upgraded) work with the bms? I read that it is possible. Ive done a few BMS’s before with another hobby so I am ok with their use. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/14 "2018-12-28T20:54:29Z")
Most cars should have room for 3 10s module4s here. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/7/70e589c31f88669261fa15d25b550f4f09b60bc1.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/9/9318d3a5d20099072c4b93361a4337db7831ad85.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/3/3e440e9f7da021f9077d1960353552233cb3459b.jpeg) > [@Lifepo4 drop in](https://community.electricforum.com/t/lifepo4-drop-in/14560/47): > > Here is some pics of the initial battery install. Had to cut a chunk of 1/4" aluminium plate that was sticking down below the after lower horizontal seat support. It was part of the seatbelt attach plate, that gets welded on. ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/15 "2018-12-28T21:17:59Z")
Couldn’t do that with mine, 2002 rear end is different. ![IMG_3353](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/b35a345a7e5d645e733cc8a5244143d1bd2e88e7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/16 "2018-12-28T21:22:05Z")
And if I keep to the 5 packs, I can distribute the weight similar to the original configuration. Two up front and four under the rear seat. The new shocks from NEV Accessories are much softer than the stock. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/17 "2018-12-28T21:54:05Z")
Gotcha, the reason I can do better on 10s modules is that they come that way. However, each ten pack breaks down into a 5s pack and 5 loose cells. This type of cells need compression plates to stabilize them. So the loose cells would need to be boxed somehow. Plywood works well. The pressure from screwing the ends on the box is enough. I have 11 10s and 3 5s on the shelf. The rest are individual cells. The more you guys need at once the less work for me. Michael got his today and should be working on them soon. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/18 "2018-12-28T22:01:52Z")
If you were really careful, could get two 5 packs out of a 10 pack. I did it once. The cells are compressed rib to rib. By offsetting each cell 1/4" the stack is a little shorter. The steel band can be removed and put back on the same way. ![MVC-011F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/5/52112859fe4163e5615059d7ec94d051e1ee1a50.jpeg) ![MVC-012F](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/electricforum/original/2X/b/b14648a23a3b7a2cd13b3a576048b86ede5d632e.jpeg) Notice the extra plates on bottom shelf. ---
**Author:** ![chris1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/chris1/32/3300_2.png) [@chris1](https://community.electricforum.com/u/chris1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/19 "2018-12-28T22:50:26Z")
Yes I see. I have access to a bander so I could break the 10s packs down and reband them if necessary. I’m pretty sure three cars will have T2’s and the fourth a T5. At 96v, will the spoof allow the controller to run or should I lower charge voltage for the T2’s? I think I’m going to have to get one whole setup from you, get it in my car then do theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Inwo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.electricforum.com/inwo/32/1067_2.png) [@Inwo](https://community.electricforum.com/u/Inwo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128/20 "2018-12-28T22:56:38Z")
If you have a bander, you’re all set. I’ve been told a T2 will only run on 94 v. I believe you can run 28s. If you charge to 3.5v it’s mostly full. 98v But when charger goes off they quickly drop to 3.35v. UPS is about $50 per 10s. $$$x3 $$$ for charger. [Next page](https://community.electricforum.com/t/2014-gem/15128.md?page=2)